FIM stage 3 race head

[FIMotorsports]

Looking for more power?? Time to upgrade your head! If you allready have a good insurance policy in the bottom end but still not making the power you would really like, then maybe it's time to think with your head! <--- now that's funny! jk. No but seriously, we got full race setups on sale now. Try out full set of dual high rev SI springs, with 1mm oversized SI valves, bronze valve guides, and race seals installed for prices too low to even list. We got you covered with cams too. Whatever brand is your favorite, we got you covered. Allready got your head flowing right? Just looking for a bigger turbo? No problem, we have the guaranteed lowest prices on all FP, Garret, Precision, MHI turbos! Stop in or give us a call at (860)282-RACE(7223).

[AWDream]

what brand valves/springs/retainers do you guys deal with? can you offer a head with stock sized valves? do prices include a core (my current head) or is this to have work performed on my existing head?

are these assembled? what machine shop do you guys use? what can you offer for cam options? do these heads have matching cam caps?

i'm looking to do some headwork over the winter on my fwd. im looking to have a head with upgraded springs (POSSIBLY a dual spring setup) and retainers (valves aren't much of a concern to me, and i want to stay with stock sized valves) with a relatively aggressive set of cams (something 272-280ish, preferably HKS or brian crower), along with a metal headgasket and arp studs. i plan on revving the car past factory rev limit, somewhere in the 82-8500 rpm range) and want to see what my options are, as well as do some price shopping, and make sure i get reputable work done. i'd like to know if the valve seals are OEM mitsu, or topline, as well as if the heads are hot tanked, decked, all within servicable limits, etc.

[FIMotorsports]

wow. thats alot of questions. lol. I'll try to answer in the best order that i can. I am sticking with the SI springs/valves/retainers/bronze valve guides and or Fierra combo due to very good results. Both seem to hold up to high revs and make alot of power up top and dont float. But i can get any brand you would like. Fierra seems to be the best, but you pay for it. SI is a comporiable setup for less money. Yes we can use your stock core head and yes we can use stock size valves with your OEM valves or replacement OEM size SI or Fierra valves.(recomend getting the new SI or Fierra valves non oversized) well for stage one or two we usually go with Northeast Auto Machine which includes decking of the head and hot tank. Unless you prefer that your stage one or two goes through the same treatment as our stage 3 heads. Our stage 3 full race heads are built at our durham facility and include hot tanking, decking of head, check for valve clearance, full port and polish, etc etc... basically the works. May be a little pricey, but you will get your best bang for your buck with the stage 3 treatment. Our heads also get flowbenched to assure maximum flow. On to the cams, we can get you HKS, BC, or whatever your favorite brand is for a cheaper price then most of those guys. So cheap you gotta call me! Too low to list on here. Steel layered head gaskets we keep in stock , and same goes with the ARP head studs. Ohh and the valve seals would either be racing seals by SI or Fierra, your choice. I hope that answered all of your questions. Any further questions or info just hit me back or give us a call at (860)282-RACE. Hope to do business with you!

[Haze]

Doug, i would skip the 280 and DEF the 288 if u plan to run a stock ecu and go right to the FP4R's

[AWDream]

how about lifters?

you don't deal with OEM mitsu valve seals? i've never heard of people using SI or Ferrea (correct spelling) valve seals before, and I personally would only trust mistu seals.

what type of valve job is done with these heads? 3 angle? 5 angle? radius?

how heavy of a port goes with the stage 3 head?

what is the name of your facility in durham?

what type of MLS gaskets do you stock? i would only run a Mitsu Gasket, and have no interest in cometic.

what differences have you noticed between SI and Ferrea valves that justify the price?

would you sell valves, springs, and retainers seperately, if I were to take my head to a preferred machine shop to have the checking/assembly process taken care of?

forgive me for the numerous questions, im QUITE anal about the car, and do more than enough research on something before jumping into a decision that probably costs around $1200-$1500.

[AWDream]

Doug, i would skip the 280 and DEF the 288 if u plan to run a stock ecu and go right to the FP4R's

i do plan on running a stock ecu. gcc/vpc. i was thinking of 272s, but i havent looked much into the fp4r's. i know they're good for big turbos (over the 50lb number) and judging from FP's website, and the face that i don't plan on revving over 9k, these may be a decent option.

[FIMotorsports]

Not a problem. Answering questions is part of my job. We like the SI valve seals, but can get OEM mitsu valve seals, not a prob. Usually go with 3 angle, but depending on application you could go with whatever you like. How heavy of a port? Well to be honest, i am not a machinist. lol. But depending on how extreme you are going, and what your looking for would depend on how extreme of a port. All of are gaskets are OEM mitsu. We DO NOT sell any engine gaskets that are not straight from the dealership. Ferrea are my personal preference due to the quality and very good reviews. And also the options they give you, like titanium valves and different angle jobs out of the box. Yes i will sell valves/springs/retainers/etc. seperate if you chose to have your head built somewhere else. You may not get as extreme of a discount if we arent building the head, but you will still get very competitve pricing. And sorry, I am definately not an english major. lol

[FIMotorsports]

Oh and are facility in Durham is the same place that VR always used. He builds some of the strongest motors around and bench flowed proof of the best flowing heads around

[neusound1]

I already have a ported head, i just want 1mm oversized valves put in w/ springs and retainers.

[FIMotorsports]

can do!

[FIMotorsports]

doug, if you want a little comparison between ferrea and si here you go.

-whitey
was running a full stage3 ported vr race head with ferrea internals and twin hks 280's

-Dark Dragon
was running a full stage 3 ported race head with SI internals and twin hks 272's

Both cars were hitting revvs past 8k. I cannot say what whitey was revving to, but i can say that the Dragon's Peak RPM was 9273rpm.
DD head has the follwing;
SI Dual Valve Springs
SI Titanium Retaiers
SI Race Valve Seals
SI Bronze Guides
Stock Valves... Upgrading shortly to 1mmOS.

hopefully this can help you a bit.

-DD

[fbodymechanic]

Whitey was over 10k.

[AWDream]

thanks for the info tony! i really only plan on revving the car to about 8500, im still stock bottom end. i don't want to ruin bearings or anything.

[Haze]

when raif built my last full out tranny, i wanted to see how it was going to shift. I launched the car outside work and brought it to 10k and it went right into gear. I was running 280's w/SI internals.

[2point2fast]

Oh and are facility in Durham is the same place that VR always used. He builds some of the strongest motors around and bench flowed proof of the best flowing heads around

blahblahblah i would only use northeast or a place in bristol bob bruno engine research NOBODY ELSE

[FIMotorsports]

blahblahblah i would only use northeast or a place in bristol bob bruno engine research NOBODY ELSE

If you read the rest of this thread you will come to find out that i work closely with northeast auto machine as well. Due to there excellent work, great turnaround time, and close location to me. So ALOT of our work comes from them.

[AWDream]

tony, i've heard really good things about bob bruneau's machine shop.

only reason i remember is because of chuck with the r32. his dad's name is bob bruneau, but completely different person.

[FIMotorsports]

tony, i've heard really good things about bob bruneau's machine shop.

only reason i remember is because of chuck with the r32. his dad's name is bob bruneau, but completely different person.

ok thanks... and this is bob on here now,not tony. lol.

[fbodymechanic]

I think he was talking to 2point2fast . . .

[AWDream]

yeah, i was talking to turbo tony.

[FIMotorsports]

yeah, i was talking to turbo tony.

oh. my bad :werd too many tony's in here. lol

[2point2fast]

tony, i've heard really good things about bob bruneau's machine shop.

only reason i remember is because of chuck with the r32. his dad's name is bob bruneau, but completely different person.

its not cheap but the work is second to none!!!!!! my friend luke has a turbo dodge that his motor came from bob and it made THE most power ever produced by an 8valve motor 540 to the ground, burnin the fuck out on the dyno and i mean ever no t.dodge has ever made that power in the world. NO B.S.

[Rook]

doug, if you want a little comparison between ferrea and si here you go.

-whitey
was running a full stage3 ported vr race head with ferrea internals and twin hks 280's

-Dark Dragon
was running a full stage 3 ported race head with SI internals and twin hks 272's
-DD

I know what whitey's head is. Don't forget the 1mm oversized valves and the port work is a bit more then stage 3. I do believe Shawn has reved his to the moon with his Ferrea's.

[FIMotorsports]

blahblahblah i would only use northeast or a place in bristol bob bruno engine research NOBODY ELSE

I'm not going to bash other peoples work, I respect everyone. and everyone has there own personal prefrences on machine work. But from what i hear, many people have taken other heads(like the ones your offering) and dyno'd. Then swapped on one of Denny's heads and before even re-tune they would make 30+ more horspower. And that's the facts. I wouldn't mind trying this other guys work though, but screw the flowbench. Lets tune a car to one head, don't touch the car, then swap heads and see if my guy makes more power... I think it will. And if not, then ill shut my mouth and look for a new machine shop. lol. But i have a feeling Denny's work might come out on top. I think it would make an interesting day on the dyno. I'm up for it. You bring your best head and ill bring mine. No shit talking, just a good day to see who can make more power.

[red90awd]

I'm not going to bash other peoples work, I respect everyone. and everyone has there own personal prefrences on machine work. But from what i hear, many people have taken other heads(like the ones your offering) and dyno'd. Then swapped on one of Denny's heads and before even re-tune they would make 30+ more horspower. And that's the facts. I wouldn't mind trying this other guys work though, but screw the flowbench. Lets tune a car to one head, don't touch the car, then swap heads and see if my guy makes more power... I think it will. And if not, then ill shut my mouth and look for a new machine shop. lol. But i have a feeling Denny's work might come out on top. I think it would make an interesting day on the dyno. I'm up for it. You bring your best head and ill bring mine. No shit talking, just a good day to see who can make more power.


Yeah but wouldnt you want to tune it to what you are going to be using it for? That would be more useful would it not? +30 Hp means nothing, its the final outcome that really matters toward whatever goal you are looking to improve. Am I not right about that?

[FIMotorsports]

Yeah but wouldnt you want to tune it to what you are going to be using it for? That would be more useful would it not? +30 Hp means nothing, its the final outcome that really matters toward whatever goal you are looking to improve. Am I not right about that?

No, you are absolutely right. But as for making the power and still keeping good driveabilty, i have had nothing but good luck personally going through denny. And from what i hear all of VR's customers that has had there machine work done by denny have never had any problems. Just think it would make for a fun event to see who's head could push more power. There would obviously have to be someone trustworthy in the car tuning so we know he is tuning to the max with both heads. I dont know, maybe just a wierd idea, but sounds like a fun day to me. lol

[Dark Dragon]

denny's work is more like ferrea....

you get what you pay for. his work is capable of out flowing the fp3065.

thhat would be the full our race head.

[Haze]

just because a head can outflow a turbo, doesnt mean its any good. FWIW, a stock head will be more than enough to make 800-900 hp. The only thing these heads need are SS valves. Dont get me wrong, a ported head will gain both top and bottom end power, along with throttle response and possibly better spool up. But porting a head to high hell isnt going to be the most efficient.

FWIW PT2:

Ive seen Denny's work, he tried to solve a dead cylinder issue by taking out a lifter, grinding the bottom of it on a chopsaw....Id think twice about that guy even checking my oil. And im in no means trying to cockblock FIM or steer sales away from them, And ive also heard from many other people that denny is the best engine builder in the state. I would just expect a little more out of a engineer/machinest than hacking away at something to solve a minor problem.

[FIMotorsports]

just because a head can outflow a turbo, doesnt mean its any good. FWIW, a stock head will be more than enough to make 800-900 hp. The only thing these heads need are SS valves. Dont get me wrong, a ported head will gain both top and bottom end power, along with throttle response and possibly better spool up. But porting a head to high hell isnt going to be the most efficient.

FWIW PT2:

Ive seen Denny's work, he tried to solve a dead cylinder issue by taking out a lifter, grinding the bottom of it on a chopsaw....Id think twice about that guy even checking my oil. And im in no means trying to cockblock FIM or steer sales away from them, And ive also heard from many other people that denny is the best engine builder in the state. I would just expect a little more out of a engineer/machinest than hacking away at something to solve a minor problem.

I can respect that. But i havn't used him for any customer work yet, and would like to "try" him out. I have only used his work on my personal cars. And you obviously know where i go for customer work. lol. And we might just keep it that way. So far i am impressed by Northeast's work, and plan on using them unless i get a reason not too. Oh and btw, got another head for you guys monday. lol :mullet

[red90awd]

alright guys enough, denny has done some good work, and we have all seen it. Things do come up sometimes and things do break when you are making big power, materials fail no matter who builds it.

Haze i am sure a few of northeast's heads have failed on cars.

Things happen and people form their opinions, every business is going to have haters, you can't please everyone.

[Haze]

Haze i am sure a few of northeast's heads have failed on cars.



Yes, everyone has problems. But you dont fix a problem by hacking something up, then LAUGHING about it and hoping no customer ever saw this.

[bullett]

But you dont fix a problem by hacking something up, then LAUGHING about it and hoping no customer ever saw this.
YOU obviously haven't been in a business long enough.

Just KIDDING, JUST KIDDING.

MB

[FIMotorsports]

ha